Sorry it took so long to to get back with ya Weed. Long work days & weekend at the the lake. Anyway the frist one I'm sure was going back in the tree. When I was at the bottom of the tree looking for him and didn't find him laying there, I shind all over that tree and could not see him. The other one I'm not sure. I never went back to the tree to find out because my light was going dead. I need a better light system. The Westren Rivers batteries only seem to last about 30 to 45 min.:pullhair